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==DNA Results '''''E-FTC19215'''''==
 
==DNA Results '''''E-FTC19215'''''==
 
===Previous Y-DNA testing===
 
===Previous Y-DNA testing===
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The [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety?iframe=yresults Mayflower DNA Project] and the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/warren?iframe=ycolorized Warren surname DNA Project] "Group *Warren - Group CC" identifies two male Warrens, both of whom have Big Y tested and fall under E-M35. Both of these individuals descend from Cornelius<sup>6</sup> Warren (Samuel<sup>5</sup>, Samuel<sup>4</sup>, Richard<sup>3</sup>, Nathaniel<sup>2</sup>, Richard<sup>1</sup>). Recently a third individual has joined the Mayflower DNA project and has 111 Y-STR tested, and matching the previous two individuals. This individual descends from a different son of Richard<sup>3</sup>. <!--In addition, other FTDNA Y-STR tests have documented men claiming Richard Warren as their patrilineal ancestor as falling under the R1b-M269 clade. One of these individuals descends from Nathaniel<sup>2</sup> Warren while the other one descends from his brother Joseph<sup>2</sup>.<ref>It is believed there is '''only''' one living Y-DNA descendant of Joseph<sup>2</sup> Warren (it appears there may be a break in this individual's line), but a number of living descendants from Nathaniel<sup>2</sup>.</ref>
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The [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety?iframe=ydna-results-overview Mayflower DNA Project] and the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/warren?iframe=ydna-results-overview Warren surname DNA Project] "Group *Warren - Group CC" identifies two male Warrens, both of whom have Big Y tested and fall under E-M35. Both of these individuals descend from Cornelius<sup>6</sup> Warren (Samuel<sup>5</sup>, Samuel<sup>4</sup>, Richard<sup>3</sup>, Nathaniel<sup>2</sup>, Richard<sup>1</sup>). Recently a third individual has joined the Mayflower DNA project and has 111 Y-STR tested, and matching the previous two individuals. This individual descends from a different son of Richard<sup>3</sup>. <!--In addition, other FTDNA Y-STR tests have documented men claiming Richard Warren as their patrilineal ancestor as falling under the R1b-M269 clade. One of these individuals descends from Nathaniel<sup>2</sup> Warren while the other one descends from his brother Joseph<sup>2</sup>.<ref>It is believed there is '''only''' one living Y-DNA descendant of Joseph<sup>2</sup> Warren (it appears there may be a break in this individual's line), but a number of living descendants from Nathaniel<sup>2</sup>.</ref>
 
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The Mayflower Society has identified a kit associated with Richard Warren (kit # 12328), which has been classified as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b R1b-M269] based on Y-STR results.<ref>https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/default.aspx?section=ycolorized</ref> Additional Y-STR testing of Richard Warren descendants, followed by ''Y Elite'' testing, will be able to confirm this haplogroup assignment and will enable more precise classification of the Warren lineage within the broad R1b-M269 haplogroup. -->
 
The Mayflower Society has identified a kit associated with Richard Warren (kit # 12328), which has been classified as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b R1b-M269] based on Y-STR results.<ref>https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/default.aspx?section=ycolorized</ref> Additional Y-STR testing of Richard Warren descendants, followed by ''Y Elite'' testing, will be able to confirm this haplogroup assignment and will enable more precise classification of the Warren lineage within the broad R1b-M269 haplogroup. -->
  
 
===NGS/WGS testing===
 
===NGS/WGS testing===
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Both of the individuals above have taken a Big Y-700 test. The results indicate they under: E-V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>FTT49>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z21362>FGC76265>Z21365>Z21367>FTB75291>FTC19215
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The two individuals descended from Cornelius<sup>6</sup> Warren above have been Big Y-700 tested. Their results indicate they fall under: E-V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>FTT49>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z21362>FGC76265>Z21365>Z21367>FTB75291>FTC19215
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Once we have other Warrens Big Y tested, we should be able to better pin down the haplogroup for Richard Warren's son Nathaniel.<ref>There appears to be no living patrilineal descendants from the younger son, Joseph.</ref>
  
 
===Further testing needed===
 
===Further testing needed===

Latest revision as of 14:00, 22 November 2024

Status summary

As of December 30, 2015:

IMPORTANT Read me First

Background

For more information see: Wakefield, Robert S., Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Volume 18 Warren. Names in bold font have Y-DNA descendants who have taken a Y-DNA test.

Speculative Origins

Based on the fact it is known Richard Warren married Elizabeth Walker at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England in 1610, some believe the Mayflower passenger may have been identical to the Richard Warren baptized at the Abbey of St. Albans, Hertfordshire on 12 Apr 1585, son of William Warren.

Another possible baptism of the Mayflower Passenger is abstracted at: FreeReg.org.UK for a Richard Warren bp St. Peter, Cornhill, London on 15 Jan 1579/80 son of John Warren, armiger. Given the fact Richard Warren was said to have been a London merchant, this baptism merits a closer look.

First Generation

The proven origin and ancestry of Richard Warren[1] has not yet been discovered. The first known record for Richard is his marriage to Elizabeth Walker[2] at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England on 14 Apr 1610.[3] Richard was called "of London"[4] He was called "Mr." and it has been said he was one of the "principal men who had borne a deep share in the difficulties and troubles of first settling the plantation."[5]

Richard Warren came by himself aboard the Mayflower, leaving his wife and five daughters (Mary, Anna, Sarah, Elizabeth & Abigail) behind. They came over in the Anne in 1623. Besides the five daughters born in England, Richard & Elizabeth had two sons born at New Plimoth: Nathaniel & Joseph

Second Generation

Nathaniel Warren was born at New Plimoth about 1624.[6] He married at Plymouth, 19 Nov 1645 to Sarah Walker.[7][8] Nathaniel made a will, dated Plymouth 29 Jun 1667 and a codicil dated 16 Jul 1667. The inventory of his estate was taken 21 Oct 1667 and his will & inventory were "exhibited" in court on 30 Oct 1667. Nathaniel & Sarah had twelve children: Richard, Sarah, Hope, Jane, Elizabeth, Alice, Mercy, Mary, Nathaniel (left no surviving children)[9], John (no children and likely never married), James and Jabez[10] (likely never married).[11]

Joseph Warren was born at New Plymoth about 1626/7.[12] He married Priscilla Faunce[13]. Joseph died at Plymouth on 4 May 1689.[14] Joseph & Priscilla had six children: Mercy, Abigail, Joseph, Patience, Elizabeth & Benjamin

Third Generation

Richard Warren was born at Plymouth in 1646 and died either at Plymouth or Middleborough on 23 Jan 1696/7.[15] He married Sarah Torrey[16] before 1679.[17] They had six children: James (1679-1709 unm.), Samuel (1682/3), Hope (c1685), Anne (c1687), John (c1689 m Naomi Bates & Anne Reed) and Joanna (c1692).

(Capt.) James Warren[1] was born at Plymouth 7 Nov 1665[18] and died there either 15 May 1715.[19] or 29 Jun 1715[20] He married Sarah3 Doty[2][21] at Plymouth, 21 Jun 1667.[22] They had ten children: John (1688-1689), Edward (1690-1690/1), Sarah (1692), Alice (1695), Patience (1697/8), James (1700 m Penelope Winslow), Hope (1702), Mercy (1704/5), Mary (1707) and Elizabeth (1710/1).


Joseph Warren (II) was born at Plymouth 8 Jan 1657[23] and died there 28 Dec 1696.[24] He married Mehitable Wilder at Plymouth 20 Dec 1692. They had three children: Joseph (1693-1693), Joseph (1694/5 m Alathea Chittenden, but line eventually daughtered out) and Priscilla (1696). There are no surviving Y-DNA descendants for this Joseph Warren.

(Capt.) Benjamin Warren was born at Plymouth 8 Jan 1670[25] and died there 30 May 1746.[26] He married twice, first Plymouth 22 Apr 1697 to Hannah Moulton, who died at Plymouth 3 Nov 1715 and second Plymouth 25 Oct 1716 to Esther/Hester BARNES Cushman. By his first marriage Benjamin had: Benjamin (1698 d.y.), Abigail (1700), Hannah (1704), Nathaniel (1706 m Sarah Morton, but no surviving sons), Benjamin (1709 m Rebecca Doty), Priscilla (1712) Patience (1715). By his second wife he had: Joseph (1717 believed to have died young) and Mercy (1723).

Fourth Generation

Samuel Warren was born Plymouth 7 Mar 1682/3 and died Middleborough bef. 4 Feb 1750. He married Middleborough 26 Jan 1703/4 Eleanor Billington and they had Priscilla (1704), Jabez (1705/6-1717), Samuel (1707 m Rebecca Dunham), Cornelius (1709 m Mercy Ward), James (1710 m Mary Terry), Nathan (1712 m Rachel ____), Joseph (1714/5-1732), Joanna (1717), Benjamin (1720 m Jedidah Tupper), Sarah (1721/2) and Josiah (1724 m Joanna Spooner).

John Warren was born Plymouth 29 Dec 1689 and died Middleborough 3 Mar 1768. He married twice, first Scituate 12 Jan 1713/4 Naomi Bates then Middleborough 27 Jul 1737 Anna Reed (no children). By his first wife he had: James (1714 d.y.), Naomi (1717), James (1718 m Deborah Fuller but no known children), John (1720 m Elizabeth Lewis), Nathaniel (1722 m Jemima Fuller), Anna (1728) and Nehemiah (1731 m Anna Fuller).

(Capt.) James Warren was born Plymouth 7 Nov 1665 and died there 30 May 1715. He married Plymouth 21 Jun 1687 Sarah Doty and they had John (1688 d.y.), Edward (1690 d.y.), Sarah (1692), Alice (1695), Patience (1697), James (1700 m Penelope Winslow), Hope (1702), Mercy (1704), Mary (1707) and Elizabeth (1710).


Joseph Warren (III) was born Plymouth 17 Jan 1694/5 and died there about 1755. He married Plymouth 22 Aug 1722 Alathea Chittenden and they had: Joseph (1724 m. Mercy Atwood Terry, only son [Joseph] never married), Elizabeth (1726), Mary (1729) Priscilla (1733) and William (1737 m Rebecca Easdell but no sons).

Benjamin Warren (II) was born Plymouth 10 Apr 1709 and died there before 26 Apr 1740. He married Plymouth 14 Dec 1738 Rebecca Doty and they had one child (Plymouth): Benjamin (1739/40 m Jane Sturtevant, Lois HARLOW Bartlett Doten, Patience HOLMES Dimon and Phebe PEARSON Doten).


  1. ↑ Pilgrim Hall Museum Richard and Elizabeth Warren biography.
  2. ↑ baptized at Baldock, Hertfordshire, England in Sep 1583
  3. ↑ TAG 78:82, verified by the will of Elizabeth's father, Augustine Walker (dated 19 Apr 1613) which names the first three daughters of Richard & Elizabeth (Mary, Ann & Sarah)
  4. ↑ Mourt's Relations:32
  5. ↑ Of Plymouth Plantation, p. 100
  6. ↑ His mother arrived in the Colony in July 1623. He and his younger brother were born before the 1627 Cattle Division. In addition, Nathaniel deposed on 15 Oct 1661 that he was "aged thirty seaven yeares or thereabouts."
  7. ↑ Plymouth Colony Records 2:94
  8. ↑ Some have proposed where Sarah was baptized at St. Olave Church, Bermondsey, Surrey, England on 10 Nov 1622. However, there were at least three people of the same name who were born in England at about the same time and lived in Massachusetts. See The Great Migration Begins I:448-49
  9. ↑ find-a-grave profile for Nathaniel
  10. ↑ Some sources state he was born about 1647, but MF5G 18 (Warren) part 1, p. 9 stated he was most likely youngest child and born about 1667.
  11. ↑ Some trees state he married Sarah Walker & Sarah Torrey and had several children. Further research is needed.
  12. ↑ He was named in the 1627 Division of Cattle which was made in May 1627.
  13. ↑ eldest child born Plymouth 23 Sep 1653
  14. ↑ MD 16:62 Plymouth Town VRs
  15. ↑ Death recorded at both places.
  16. ↑ After Richard's death, she married Thomas Ewers.
  17. ↑ child born
  18. ↑ MD 17:184 Plymouth Town VRs
  19. ↑ Plymouth, MA Town VRs
  20. ↑ gravestone and newspaper death notice.
  21. ↑ after James' death, she married at Plymouth 28 Sep 1726 to John Bacon
  22. ↑ Plymouth Town VRs
  23. ↑ MD 18:69 Plymouth Town VRs
  24. ↑ Plymouth published VRs I:203
  25. ↑ MD 18:69 Plymouth Town VRs
  26. ↑ MD 16:86 Plymouth Town VRs

DNA Results E-FTC19215

Previous Y-DNA testing

The Mayflower DNA Project and the Warren surname DNA Project "Group *Warren - Group CC" identifies two male Warrens, both of whom have Big Y tested and fall under E-M35. Both of these individuals descend from Cornelius6 Warren (Samuel5, Samuel4, Richard3, Nathaniel2, Richard1). Recently a third individual has joined the Mayflower DNA project and has 111 Y-STR tested, and matching the previous two individuals. This individual descends from a different son of Richard3.

NGS/WGS testing

The two individuals descended from Cornelius6 Warren above have been Big Y-700 tested. Their results indicate they fall under: E-V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>FTT49>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>L241>Z21362>FGC76265>Z21365>Z21367>FTB75291>FTC19215 Once we have other Warrens Big Y tested, we should be able to better pin down the haplogroup for Richard Warren's son Nathaniel.[1]

Further testing needed

Ideally, we would like other patrilineal descendants of Nathaniel2 Warren to take a Y-DNA test to verify the line all the way back to Pilgrim Richard Warren.


  1. ↑ There appears to be no living patrilineal descendants from the younger son, Joseph.

External links and References

  • Wakefield, Robert S., Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Volume 18 Part I (third edition) Richard Warren 2004, General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Plymouth, MA
  • Wakefield, Robert S., Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Volume 18 Part III Richard Warren, 5th Generation of Abigail, Nathaniel and Joseph 2001, General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Plymouth, MA
  • Roser, Susan E., Mayflower Increasings From the Files of George Ernest Bowman at the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, Second edition 1995, 1996. pp. 111-120
  • Roser, Susan E. Mayflower Passenger References: from contemporary records and scholarly journals (second edition) 2015, Stewart Publishing & Printing, Canada

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