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==Background==
 
==Background==
 
===Speculative Origins===
 
===Speculative Origins===
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Christopher Child, editor of the ''Mayflower Descendant'' has [https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1081008/possible-origin-of-mayflower-passenger-richard-warren?show=1081008#q1081008 posted] where his personal opinion (based on the fact it is known Richard Warren married Elizabeth Walker at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England) in 1610) is that the Mayflower passenger may have been identical to the [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J933-777 Richard Warren] baptized at the Abbey of St. Albans, Hertfordshire on 12 Apr 1585, son of William Warren.  
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Christopher Child, editor of the ''Mayflower Descendant'' has [https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1081008/possible-origin-of-mayflower-passenger-richard-warren?show=1081008#q1081008 posted] where his personal opinion (based on the fact it is known Richard Warren married Elizabeth Walker at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England in 1610) is that the Mayflower passenger may have been identical to the [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J933-777 Richard Warren] baptized at the Abbey of St. Albans, Hertfordshire on 12 Apr 1585, son of William Warren.  
  
 
Another possible baptism of the Mayflower Passenger is abstracted at: [https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5818b4a1e93790ec8b03c55d/richard-warren-baptism-london-city-cornhill-1580-01-24?locale=en | FreeReg.org.UK] for a Richard Warren bp St. Peter, Cornhill, London on 15 Jan 1579/80 son of John Warren, armiger. Given the fact Richard Warren was said to have been a London merchant, this baptism merits a closer look.
 
Another possible baptism of the Mayflower Passenger is abstracted at: [https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5818b4a1e93790ec8b03c55d/richard-warren-baptism-london-city-cornhill-1580-01-24?locale=en | FreeReg.org.UK] for a Richard Warren bp St. Peter, Cornhill, London on 15 Jan 1579/80 son of John Warren, armiger. Given the fact Richard Warren was said to have been a London merchant, this baptism merits a closer look.

Revision as of 01:04, 20 September 2021

Status summary

As of December 30, 2015:

  • Warren surname project contacted
  • Recruiting Warren for Y Elite test

Background

Speculative Origins

Christopher Child, editor of the Mayflower Descendant has posted where his personal opinion (based on the fact it is known Richard Warren married Elizabeth Walker at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England in 1610) is that the Mayflower passenger may have been identical to the Richard Warren baptized at the Abbey of St. Albans, Hertfordshire on 12 Apr 1585, son of William Warren.

Another possible baptism of the Mayflower Passenger is abstracted at: | FreeReg.org.UK for a Richard Warren bp St. Peter, Cornhill, London on 15 Jan 1579/80 son of John Warren, armiger. Given the fact Richard Warren was said to have been a London merchant, this baptism merits a closer look.

First Generation

The origins and ancestry of Richard Warren[1] has not yet been discovered. The first known record for Richard is his marriage to Elizabeth Walker[2] at Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England on 14 Apr 1610.[3] Richard was called "of London"[4] He was called "Mr." and it has been said he was one of the "principal men who had borne a deep share in the difficulties and troubles of first settling the plantation."[5]

Richard Warren came by himself aboard the Mayflower, leaving his wife and five daughters (Mary, Anna, Sarah, Elizabeth & Abigail) behind. They came over in the Anne in 1623. Besides the five daughters born in England, Richard & Elizabeth had two sons born at New Plimouth: Nathaniel & Joseph

Second Generation

Nathaniel Warren was born at New Plimouth about 1624.[6] He married at Plymouth, 19 Nov 1645 to Sarah Walker.[7][8] Nathaniel made a will, dated Plymouth 29 Jun 1667 and a codicil dated 16 Jul 1667. The inventory of his estate was taken 21 Oct 1667 and his will & inventory were "exhibited" in court on 30 Oct 1667. Nathaniel & Sarah had twelve children: Richard, Jabez (never married), Sarah, Hope, Jane, Elizabeth, Alice, Mercy, Mary, Nathaniel (left no surviving children)[9], John (no children and likely never married) & James

Joseph Warren was born at New Plymouth about 1626/7.[10] He married Priscilla Faunce[11]. Joseph died at Plymouth on 4 May 1689.[12] Joseph & Priscilla had six children: Mercy, Abigail, Joseph, Patience, Elizabeth & Benjamin

Third Generation

Richard Warren was born at Plymouth in 1646 and died either at Plymouth or Middleborough on 23 Jan 1696/7.[13] He married Sarah Torrey[14] before 1679.[15] They had six children: James (1679-1709 unm.), Samuel (1682/3 m Eleanor Billington), Hope (c1685), Anne (c1687), John (c1689 m Naomi Bates & Anne Reed) and Joanna (c1692).

(Capt.) James Warren was born at Plymouth 7 Nov 1665[16] and died there either 15 May 1715.[17] or 29 Jun 1715[18] He married Sarah3 Doty[19] at Plymouth, 21 Jun 1667.[20] They had ten children: John (1688-1689), Edward (1690-1690/1), Sarah (1692), Alice (1695), Patience (1697/8), James (1700 m Penelope Winslow), Hope (1702), Mercy (1704/5), Mary (1707) and Elizabeth (1710/1).

Joseph Warren (II) was born at Plymouth 8 Jan 1657[21] and died there 28 Dec 1696.[22] He married Mehitable Wilder at Plymouth 20 Dec 1692. They had three children: Joseph (1693-1693), Joseph (1694/5 m Alathea Chittenden) and Priscilla (1696).

(Capt.) Benjamin Warren was born at Plymouth 8 Jan 1670[23] and died there 30 May 1746.[24] He married twice, first Plymouth 22 Apr 1697 to Hannah Moulton, who died at Plymouth 3 Nov 1715 and second Plymouth 25 Oct 1716 to Esther/Hester BARNES Cushman. By his first marriage Benjamin had: Benjamin (1698 d.y.), Abigail (1700), Hannah (1704), Nathaniel (1706 m Sarah Morton), Benjamin (1709 m Rebecca Doty), Priscilla (1712) Patience (1715). By his second wife he had: Joseph (1717 believed to have died young) and Mercy (1723).


  1. ↑ Pilgrim Hall Museum Richard and Elizabeth Warren biography.
  2. ↑ baptized at Baldock, Hertfordshire, England in Sep 1583
  3. ↑ TAG 78:82, verified by the will of Elizabeth's father, Augustine Walker (dated 19 Apr 1613) which names the first three daughters of Richard & Elizabeth (Mary, Ann & Sarah)
  4. ↑ Mourt's Relations:32
  5. ↑ Of Plymouth Plantation, p. 100
  6. ↑ His mother arrived in the Colony in July 1623. He and his younger brother were born before the 1627 Cattle Division. In addition, Nathaniel deposed on 15 Oct 1661 that he was "aged thirty seaven yeares or thereabouts."
  7. ↑ Plymouth Colony Records 2:94
  8. ↑ Some have proposed where Sarah was baptized at St. Olave Church, Bermondsey, Surrey, England on 10 Nov 1622. However, there were at least three people of the same name who were born in England at about the same time and lived in Massachusetts. See The Great Migration Begins I:448-49
  9. ↑ find-a-grave profile for Nathaniel
  10. ↑ He was named in the 1627 Division of Cattle which was made in May 1627.
  11. ↑ eldest child born Plymouth 23 Sep 1653
  12. ↑ MD 16:62 Plymouth Town VRs
  13. ↑ Death recorded at both places.
  14. ↑ After Richard's death, she married Thomas Ewers.
  15. ↑ child born
  16. ↑ MD 17:184 Plymouth Town VRs
  17. ↑ Plymouth, MA Town VRs
  18. ↑ gravestone and newspaper death notice.
  19. ↑ after James' death, she married at Plymouth 28 Sep 1726 to John Bacon
  20. ↑ Plymouth Town VRs
  21. ↑ MD 18:69 Plymouth Town VRs
  22. ↑ Plymouth published VRs I:203
  23. ↑ MD 18:69 Plymouth Town VRs
  24. ↑ MD 16:86 Plymouth Town VRs

Results

Previous Y-DNA testing

Currently, there are conflicting results for the identification of the Y-DNA Haplogroup for Richard Warren. The Mayflower DNA Project has one individual who has tested 67 STR markers and has been predicted to fall under E-M35.[1][2] However, a discussion at Geni.com states a male who has tested 37 STR markers and has been predicted to fall under R1b-M269.[3]

Further research and DNA testing is needed to confirm which (if either) of these individuals has a valid genetic line going back to Richard Warren.


  1. ↑ The Nevgen Y-DNA Haplogroup Predictor stated 99.97% likely to fall under E1b1b1a1b1a E-V13. An old paper published in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy stated E-V13 was a Balkan Haplogroup, and its presence in England was likely due to Roman soldiers (from the Balkans) settling in the area after their military service.
  2. ↑ According to an administrator for this DNA Project, the individual's cousin had her lineage verified by the GSMD.
  3. ↑ This line can be found at: Warren Line at Geni.com

External links and References

  • Wakefield, Robert S., Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Volume 18 Part I (third edition) Richard Warren 2004, General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Plymouth, MA
  • Wakefield, Robert S., Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Volume 18 Part III Richard Warren, 5th Generation of Abigail, Nathaniel and Joseph 2001, General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Plymouth, MA
  • Roser, Susan E., Mayflower Increasings From the Files of George Ernest Bowman at the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, Second edition 1995, 1996. pp. 111-120
  • Roser, Susan E. Mayflower Passenger References: from contemporary records and scholarly journals (second edition) 2015, Stewart Publishing & Printing, Canada
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