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FIRST GENERATION
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Elizabeth & Stephen had two sons and five daughters.
 
Elizabeth & Stephen had two sons and five daughters.
  
 
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SECOND GENERATION
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Damaris (c1618) was likely still alive in the 1623 Land division (as her father's company received six shares), but likely was not enumerated in the 1627 Cattle division. A younger sister was named after her, so she died young.
 
Damaris (c1618) was likely still alive in the 1623 Land division (as her father's company received six shares), but likely was not enumerated in the 1627 Cattle division. A younger sister was named after her, so she died young.
  
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Elizabeth (c1632) also apparently never married. Her estate was appraised on 6 Oct 1659 "in case Elizabeth Hopkins do come no more."<ref>MD 4:114-119</ref><ref>The Christ Church in Barbadoes records the christenings of two sisters, Elizabeth and Damaris, on 25 Apr 1669. The records state both of them are "begotten" of Elizabeth Hopkins. This curious language (and lack of a father's name) appears to indicate where the mother was unmarried. Given the rare given name of Damaris, plus the curious language of the appraisal of the estate mentioned above, it appears the mother Elizabeth was the daughter of Stephen Hopkins and his second wife, Elizabeth.</ref>
 
Elizabeth (c1632) also apparently never married. Her estate was appraised on 6 Oct 1659 "in case Elizabeth Hopkins do come no more."<ref>MD 4:114-119</ref><ref>The Christ Church in Barbadoes records the christenings of two sisters, Elizabeth and Damaris, on 25 Apr 1669. The records state both of them are "begotten" of Elizabeth Hopkins. This curious language (and lack of a father's name) appears to indicate where the mother was unmarried. Given the rare given name of Damaris, plus the curious language of the appraisal of the estate mentioned above, it appears the mother Elizabeth was the daughter of Stephen Hopkins and his second wife, Elizabeth.</ref>
  
 
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THIRD GENERATION
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Elizabeth Ring was born at Plymouth 19 Apr 1652 and died at Eastham in 1691. She married William Mayo. They had two sons and three daughters (Thankful [1678-1739, m. Samuel Higgins, only had 3 sons], Hannah [1685-1765, m. Samuel Tucker] & Deborah [1690-b1717, never married) Thankful only had sons and Deborah never married, so the mtDNA line only comes down from Hannah.
 
Elizabeth Ring was born at Plymouth 19 Apr 1652 and died at Eastham in 1691. She married William Mayo. They had two sons and three daughters (Thankful [1678-1739, m. Samuel Higgins, only had 3 sons], Hannah [1685-1765, m. Samuel Tucker] & Deborah [1690-b1717, never married) Thankful only had sons and Deborah never married, so the mtDNA line only comes down from Hannah.
  
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In conclusion, there are only three proven maternal granddaughters of Elizabeth Fisher who may still have living mtDNA descendants (Hannah Mayo, Elizabeth Doty and Martha Doty). There are other possible maternal granddaughters (through Mary Cooke and Ruth Cooke) who may also have living mtDNA descendants. mtDNA testing may be able to disprove Martha Cooke married Elkanah Cushman (if mtDNA descendants of this line don't match the known mtDNA of Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins). In addition, mtDNA testing may be able to verify which John Rickards married Mary Cooke.
 
In conclusion, there are only three proven maternal granddaughters of Elizabeth Fisher who may still have living mtDNA descendants (Hannah Mayo, Elizabeth Doty and Martha Doty). There are other possible maternal granddaughters (through Mary Cooke and Ruth Cooke) who may also have living mtDNA descendants. mtDNA testing may be able to disprove Martha Cooke married Elkanah Cushman (if mtDNA descendants of this line don't match the known mtDNA of Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins). In addition, mtDNA testing may be able to verify which John Rickards married Mary Cooke.
 
  
  

Revision as of 15:31, 9 December 2020

Status summary

As of August 30, 2018

  • Page created for Elizabeth Fisher, second wife of Stephen Hopkins
  • recruitment of individuals who are mtDNA descendants of Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins. Folks who are mtDNA descendants are encouraged to contact Raymond T. Wing (email: wing.genealogist AT gmail DOT com)

Background

Biography

The General Society of Mayflower Descendants (GSMD) accepts the marriage recorded in the Parish register, St Mary Matfellon, Whitechapel, of Stephen Hopkins to Elizabeth Fisher on 19 Feb 1617[/18] as the second marriage of Pilgrim Stephen Hopkins.[1][2] Her parentage and ancestry has not been discovered to date. The couple were on the Mayflower, along with their daughter Damaris and two children from Stephen's first marriage (to Mary): Constance & Giles. The family remained in the original New Plimouth settlement, where Elizabeth is said to have died sometime around 1642.[3]

  1. [https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1624/31280_194813-00091/658774?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/152039210/person/262016416484/facts/citation/822019777150/edit/record Parish register
  2. Mayflower Quarterly, Jun 2012, pp. 126-27 has an article by Simon Neale on his attempts to identify the two wives of Stephen Hopkins. He discusses this marriage and states the Hopkins surname was fairly common in England, and London. As such there is no PROOF this couple were the Mayflower passenger.
  3. Her husband's will, dated 6 Jun 1644, requested he be buried beside his (deceased) wife. A date of death for Elizabeth of 4 Feb 1639 has been proposed, but it is currently unknown (to this compiler) the original source for this date.

mtDNA Results

We are currently looking for volunteers who are matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth to take a full mtDNA test.

mtDNA Descendants

First Generation

Elizabeth & Stephen had two sons and five daughters.

Second Generation

Damaris (c1618) was likely still alive in the 1623 Land division (as her father's company received six shares), but likely was not enumerated in the 1627 Cattle division. A younger sister was named after her, so she died young.

Deborah was apparently born before the 1627 Cattle division.[1] She married (Plymouth 23 Apr 1646) Andrew Ring and she died after 1659.[2] They had three sons and four daughters (Elizabeth, Mary, Susanna & Deborah)

Damaris (second of the name) was almost certainly born after the 1627 Cattle division. She married (Plymouth after 10 Jun 1646) John Cooke. She died there before Nov 1669.[3] They had three sons and five daughters (Elizabeth, Rebecca (died young), Mary, Martha & Ruth)

Ruth (c1630) died unmarried sometime between Nov 1644 and Jun 1651.

Elizabeth (c1632) also apparently never married. Her estate was appraised on 6 Oct 1659 "in case Elizabeth Hopkins do come no more."[4][5]

Third Generation

Elizabeth Ring was born at Plymouth 19 Apr 1652 and died at Eastham in 1691. She married William Mayo. They had two sons and three daughters (Thankful [1678-1739, m. Samuel Higgins, only had 3 sons], Hannah [1685-1765, m. Samuel Tucker] & Deborah [1690-b1717, never married) Thankful only had sons and Deborah never married, so the mtDNA line only comes down from Hannah.

Mary Ring was born at Plymouth in 1657 and died at Middleborough 31 Oct 1731. She married John Morton. They had three sons and four daughters (Mary, Hannah, Deborah & Persis). However, none of these daughters had any maternal granddaughters, so no mtDNA line.

Susanna Ring was born at Plymouth about 1658. She is not known to have married.

Deborah Ring was born at Plymouth about 1659. She married Samuel Cole, but only had one son, so no mtDNA descendants.


Elizabeth Cooke was born at Plymouth 18 Jan 1648 and died there 21 Nov 1692. She married John Doty (son of Mayflower Passenger Edward Doty). They had seven sons & two daughters (Elizabeth [1675/6-1772, m. Joshua Morse] & Martha [1692-1775, m. Ebenezer Curtis)

Mary Cooke was born at Plymouth 12 Jan 1657/8. She married John Rickard.[6] They had 3 sons and 4 daughters (Mercy [1682-1717, m. Jabez Eddy & Ignatius Cushing], Mary [1688- ], Esther [1691-1713, never married] & Elizabeth [1694-1731, m. Capt. Ebenezer Doggett])

Martha Cooke was born at Plymouth 16 Mar 1659 and died at Plympton 17 Sep 1722. She married Elkanah Cushman and they had three sons and three daughters (Elizabeth [1684-1724, m. Robert Waterman but no children], Martha [1691-1771, m. Nathiel Holmes, but no daughters] & Mehitable [1693-1725, never married]). Thus no mtDNA descendants from Martha.

Ruth Cooke was born at Plymouth 17 Jan 1664/5 and is said to have died 11 Dec 1675.[7]


In conclusion, there are only three proven maternal granddaughters of Elizabeth Fisher who may still have living mtDNA descendants (Hannah Mayo, Elizabeth Doty and Martha Doty). There are other possible maternal granddaughters (through Mary Cooke and Ruth Cooke) who may also have living mtDNA descendants. mtDNA testing may be able to disprove Martha Cooke married Elkanah Cushman (if mtDNA descendants of this line don't match the known mtDNA of Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins). In addition, mtDNA testing may be able to verify which John Rickards married Mary Cooke.


  1. (unless sister Damaris was still living)
  2. birth of last child
  3. widow remarried
  4. MD 4:114-119
  5. The Christ Church in Barbadoes records the christenings of two sisters, Elizabeth and Damaris, on 25 Apr 1669. The records state both of them are "begotten" of Elizabeth Hopkins. This curious language (and lack of a father's name) appears to indicate where the mother was unmarried. Given the rare given name of Damaris, plus the curious language of the appraisal of the estate mentioned above, it appears the mother Elizabeth was the daughter of Stephen Hopkins and his second wife, Elizabeth.
  6. There were two contemporary John Rickards who both had wives named Mary. It is believed the husband was John Rickard "Jr." (1657-1712) and the children above are for this couple.
  7. Some records indicate she married Helkiah Tinkham and died at Kingston 10 Apr 1734. They had six sons and three daughters (Mary [1687-1717, m. Ebenezer Curtis], Sarah [1696-1714/5, never married] and Ruth [1701-1726, m. Ebenezer Cobb (II) but only had one son]). Thus her mtDNA line is only carried down through daughter Mary. Not currently accepted by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. mtDNA testing may possibly help resolve this issue.

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