Joan Hurst & Elizabeth Tilley (mtDNA) - Revision history

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‎mtDNA Results H1a1+16209

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‎mtDNA tested Descendants

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‎mtDNA tested Descendants

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‎mtDNA tested Descendants

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‎Fourth Generation

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‎mtDNA Results H1a1

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 <references />
-==mtDNA Results  '''H1a1+16209'''==
+==mtDNA Results  '''H1a1+16209''' Haplotype:F7052913==
 We know from the results of four mtDNA tests from three different daughters of Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland, the matrilineal (all female) line falls under haplogroup H1a1 with FTDNA's new Mitotree reporting it as H1a1+16209.<ref>The mtDNA result does also have the following mutations: 315.1C and 16519C. Both of these mutations occur intermittently in many haplogroups and are not used in determining haplogroups.</ref> In addition, according to the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtDNA_H1?iframe=mtresults H1 mtGenome Project] the H1a1 clade originated approximately 2500 B.C.E., so it is a VERY old haplogroup.

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                          Nellie Irene<sup>12</sup> Triscuit (1888-1974)
                            Alice<sup>13</sup> Carlson (1915-1982)
-                             mother<sup>14</sup>
+                             ''mother<sup>14</sup>''
-                               tester<sup>15</sup>  <!--* Carlson Craft FTDNA Kit #199282 in HDNA tree-->
+                               ''tester<sup>15</sup>''  <!--* Carlson Craft FTDNA Kit #199282 in HDNA tree-->
          Lydia<sup>4</sup> Gorham (1661-1744)
            Lydia<sup>5</sup> Thacher (1684/5-1724)
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                          Oral Maude<sup>12</sup> Cranson (1883-1959)
                            Eva Doreen<sup>13</sup> Herald (1902-1992)
-                             mother<sup>14</sup>
+                             ''mother<sup>14</sup>''
-                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Cynthia MANNING Herald MD FTDNA kit #337121 in HDNA DNA tree & Mayflower DNA Project but not in Howland DNA Project -->
+                               ''tester<sup>15</sup>'' <!--* Cynthia MANNING Herald MD FTDNA kit #337121 in HDNA DNA tree & Mayflower DNA Project but not in Howland DNA Project -->
        Hope<sup>3</sup> Howland (1629-1683/4)
          Hope<sup>4</sup> Chipman (1652-1728)

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                            Eva Doreen<sup>13</sup> Herald (1902-1992)
                              mother<sup>14</sup>
-                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Cynthia MANNING Herald MD FTDNA kit #337121 in HDNA DNA tree -->
+                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Cynthia MANNING Herald MD FTDNA kit #337121 in HDNA DNA tree & Mayflower DNA Project but not in Howland DNA Project -->
        Hope<sup>3</sup> Howland (1629-1683/4)
          Hope<sup>4</sup> Chipman (1652-1728)
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                          Anne Margaret<sup>12</sup> Wadden (1902-1955)
                            ''mother''
-                             ''tester'' <!--* Nancy WADDEN O'Quinn in HDNA tree. Haplotype: F3344847 -->
+                             ''tester'' <!--* Nancy WADDEN O'Quinn in HDNA tree. Kit #B115715 Haplotype: F3344847 -->
        Lydia<sup>3</sup> Howland (1633-p1710/1)
          Dorothy<sup>4</sup> Brown (1666-1727)
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                          Hattie Florence<sup>12</sup> Lovell (1874-1907)'
                            Marion Edith<sup>13</sup> Smith (1892-1972)
-                             mother of tester<sup>14</sup>  <!--* -->
+                             ''mother of tester''<sup>14</sup>  <!--* Marion E. Smith (1892-1972)-->
-                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Marion E. O'Donnell FTDNA kit #217884. Haplotype: F7052913 -->
+                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* William Matthew Thornton Jr. (1925-2012) kit #159230 Haplotype: F7052913 -->
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                          Anne Margaret<sup>12</sup> Wadden (1902-1955)
                            ''mother''
-                             ''tester'' <!--* Nancy WADDEN O'Quinn in HDNA tree -->
+                             ''tester'' <!--* Nancy WADDEN O'Quinn in HDNA tree. Haplotype: F3344847 -->
        Lydia<sup>3</sup> Howland (1633-p1710/1)
          Dorothy<sup>4</sup> Brown (1666-1727)
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                            Marion Edith<sup>13</sup> Smith (1892-1972)
                              mother of tester<sup>14</sup>  <!--* -->
-                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Marion E. O'Donnell FTDNA kit #217884 -->
+                               tester<sup>15</sup> <!--* Marion E. O'Donnell FTDNA kit #217884. Haplotype: F7052913 -->
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 [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40318079776/facts Mary Thacher] was born Yarmouth 5 Feb 1686/7 and died Barnstable 28 Jun 1778. She married Barnstable 23 Dec 1708 [[Gorham (Y-DNA) |Shubael Gorham]] and they had ten children (Barnstable): John (1709), David (1712), [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320281777/facts Mary] (1713/4 m. [Capt.] Stephen Clapp [III] but no ch.), William (1716 unm.), [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320281779/facts Lydia] (1718 m [Dr.] James Hersey but only 1 son), Hannah (1720-1720), [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320281781/facts Hannah] (1721 m Edward Crosby), Shubael (1723 unm.), Joseph (1725) and Benjamin (1726).
-[https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320287038/facts Desire Thacher] was born Yarmouth 24 Dec 1688 and died there 6 May 1722. She married Yarmouth 10 Apr 1718 (Ens.) Josiah Crocker (II) and they had two children: (Rev.) Josiah (1719) and [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320287242/facts Desire] (1721 m Greenfield Blake).
+[https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320287038/facts Desire Thacher] was born Yarmouth 24 Dec 1688 and died there 6 May 1722. She married Yarmouth 10 Apr 1718 (Ens.) [[Crocker (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Josiah Crocker (II)]] and they had two children: (Rev.) Josiah (1719) and [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320287242/facts Desire] (1721 m Greenfield Blake).
 [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40318079759/facts Hannah Thacher] was born Yarmouth 9 Oct 1690 and died Colchester, CT 6 May 1780. She married (prob. Yarmouth) about 1714 Nathaniel Otis and they had eight children (Colchester): [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40320285725/facts Lydia] (1716/7 m Abner Kellogg), Hannah (1717/8), Dorothy (1721), Desire (1723), Nathaniel (1725), John (1728), Delight (1730/2-1740) and Mercy/Mary (1734).

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	Joan and her second husband (John Tilley) had Rose (bp. 23 Oct 1597, died young), John (bp. 26 Aug 1599),<ref>The son John MAY have been the John Tilley of Cape Ann & Dorchester who was killed by Indians near Saybrook (now Connecticut) in Oct 1636, but (dis)proof is lacking.</ref> Rose (bp. 28 Feb 1601/2), Robert (bp. 25 Nov 1604), and Elizabeth. Only the descendants of Robert (and Elizabeth) have been traced to date.<ref>TAG 52:203.</ref>		Joan and her second husband (John Tilley) had Rose (bp. 23 Oct 1597, died young), John (bp. 26 Aug 1599),<ref>The son John MAY have been the John Tilley of Cape Ann & Dorchester who was killed by Indians near Saybrook (now Connecticut) in Oct 1636, but (dis)proof is lacking.</ref> Rose (bp. 28 Feb 1601/2), Robert (bp. 25 Nov 1604), and Elizabeth. Only the descendants of Robert (and Elizabeth) have been traced to date.<ref>TAG 52:203.</ref>
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	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tilley-73 '''Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland'''] had six daughters, all who married and had children of their own.		[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tilley-73 '''Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland'''] had six daughters, all who married and had children of their own.

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 We know from the results of four mtDNA tests from three different daughters of Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland, the matrilineal (all female) line falls under haplogroup H1a1 with no extra mutations.<ref>The mtDNA result does also have the following mutations: 315.1C and 16519C. Both of these mutations occur intermittently in many haplogroups and are not used in determining haplogroups.</ref> In addition, according to the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtDNA_H1?iframe=mtresults H1 mtGenome Project] the H1a1 clade originated approximately 2500 B.C.E., so it is a VERY old haplogroup.
-Thus mtDNA testing cannot be used to '''conclusively''' prove someone was a matrilineal descendant of Elizabeth Tilley, but it can be used to conclusively '''disprove''' such a relationship. In addition, mtDNA testing can be used to support a conclusion about a line being matrilineally descended from Elizabeth, but additional evidence is also needed. All four of the testers have the following "extra" mutations (that FTDNA does not consider when looking at matches due to the fact these locations mutate often:  315.1c, 522.1A and 522.2C. At least one of Elizabeth's matrilineal (all female line) descendants have picked up an additional mutation (a heteroplasmy). Names in '''bold font''' have mtDNA descendants who have mtDNA tested.
+Thus mtDNA testing cannot be used to '''conclusively''' prove someone was a matrilineal descendant of Elizabeth Tilley, but it can be used to conclusively '''disprove''' such a relationship. In addition, mtDNA testing can be used to support a conclusion about a line being matrilineally descended from Elizabeth, but additional evidence is also needed. All four of the testers have the following "extra" mutations (that FTDNA does not consider when looking at matches due to the fact these locations mutate often:) 315.1c, 522.1A and 522.2C. At least one of Elizabeth's matrilineal (all female line) descendants have picked up an additional mutation (a heteroplasmy). Names in '''bold font''' have mtDNA descendants who have mtDNA tested.
 ===mtDNA Descendants===

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 [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-79 '''Lydia'''] (1633-1710) married [[James Brown (Y-DNA)|Maj. James Brown]] and had eight children: Josiah, James, John (d. young), Martha (d. young), John, Dorothy, Jabez and Joseph.
-[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-178 Hannah] (1637-1705) married [[Bosworth (Y-DNA)|Jonathan Bosworth]] and had ten children: Mercy (1662-1662), Hannah, Elizabeth (1665-1676), Jonathan (1666-1676), David, John, Jabez, Ichabod, infant son and Jonathan.
+[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-178 Hannah] (1637-1705) married [[Bosworth (Y-DNA)#First Generation|Jonathan Bosworth]] and had ten children: Mercy (1662-1662), Hannah, Elizabeth (1665-1676), Jonathan (1666-1676), David, John, Jabez, Ichabod, infant son and Jonathan.
 [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-70 Ruth] (1646-1679) married [[Cushman (Y-DNA)#Second Generation|Thomas Cushman (II)]] and had three children: Robert (1664), Thomas (1670) and Desire (1673).

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−	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bosworth-155 Hannah Bosworth] was born Swansea 5 Nov 1663 and died Providence, RI 31 Jul 1723. She married Swansea 4 Nov 1686 (Maj.) Nathaniel Jenckes and they had four children: Jonathan (1688), [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40318181179/facts Hannah] (1690 m. Banfield Capon II), Elizabeth (1697 m. John Owen) and Nathaniel (1702)	+	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bosworth-155 Hannah Bosworth] was born Swansea 5 Nov 1663 and died Providence, RI 31 Jul 1723. She married Swansea 4 Nov 1686 [[Jenckes (Y-DNA)#First Generation \|(Maj.) Nathaniel Jenckes]] and they had four children: Jonathan (1688), [https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74451455/person/40318181179/facts Hannah] (1690 m. Banfield Capon II), Elizabeth (1697 m. John Owen) and Nathaniel (1702)